Legislature(2007 - 2008)CAPITOL 120

03/12/2008 01:00 PM House JUDICIARY


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HB 103 - BOND REQUIREMENT ON APPEAL                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:17:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 103, "An  Act amending  Rule 62, Alaska  Rules of                                                               
Civil  Procedure, to  limit the  amount of  the bond  required to                                                               
stay  execution of  a judgment  in a  civil litigation  during an                                                               
appeal or  review; and amending  Rules 204 and 205,  Alaska Rules                                                               
of Appellate Procedure, to limit  the amount of the bond required                                                               
to stay execution  of a judgment in a civil  litigation during an                                                               
appeal."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:17:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HOLMES  moved  to adopt  the  proposed  committee                                                               
substitute  (CS)  for HB  103,  Version  E, labeled  25-LS0401\E,                                                               
Bailey, 5/2/07 as  the working draft.  There  being no objection,                                                               
Version E was before the committee.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:17:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL,  speaking  as  the sponsor  of  HB  103,                                                               
explained that  the bill would  place a cap  on the amount  of an                                                               
appeals bond to  $5 million or 10 percent of  the appellant's net                                                               
worth in  a civil lawsuit.   Currently, an appellant  is required                                                               
to post  a bond equal to  the amount of the  judgment plus appeal                                                               
costs and interest.  However,  this limitation would not apply to                                                               
awards  resulting  from  the  injury,  loss,  or  destruction  of                                                               
natural  resources caused  by an  environmental  disaster, or  to                                                               
awards in  actions or proceedings  in which the state  or another                                                               
governmental entity  is a party.   He said that his  intent is to                                                               
allow  companies the  ability to  appeal with  a reasonable  bond                                                               
posting  without putting  them out  of business.   Representative                                                               
Coghill opined  that a defendant's  right to appeal  shouldn't be                                                               
precluded by an inability to post a bond.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 1:21 p.m. to 1:30 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS relayed  that HB 103 [Version E] would  be set aside                                                               
until later in the meeting.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HB 103 - BOND REQUIREMENT ON APPEAL                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:50:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAMRAS  announced that the  committee would next  return to                                                               
the hearing  on HOUSE  BILL NO.  103, "An  Act amending  Rule 62,                                                               
Alaska Rules of Civil Procedure, to  limit the amount of the bond                                                               
required to  stay execution of  a judgment in a  civil litigation                                                               
during  an appeal  or review;  and  amending Rules  204 and  205,                                                               
Alaska Rules of  Appellate Procedure, to limit the  amount of the                                                               
bond  required  to  stay  execution  of a  judgment  in  a  civil                                                               
litigation  during an  appeal."   [Before the  committee was  the                                                               
proposed  committee  substitute  (CS)  for HB  103,  Version  25-                                                               
LS0401\E,  Bailey, 5/2/07,  which had  been adopted  as the  work                                                               
draft earlier in the meeting.]                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:50:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICTOR SCHWARTZ,  Attorney at Law,  Co-Chair, Civil  Justice Task                                                               
Force,  stated that  he serves  as the  private sector  co-chair,                                                               
along with U.S. Senator Kirk  Dillard, Illinois, for ALEC's Civil                                                               
Justice Task Force.  He explained  that he coauthored a case book                                                               
often used  in law schools,  and offered  a brief history  of his                                                               
work, including that  for the past twenty years he  has worked on                                                               
the defense  side.   He stated  that the  views he  is presenting                                                               
today are  on behalf of  ALEC, but  basically he shares  the same                                                               
views.   He  stated that  he  became interested  in appeal  bonds                                                               
about 15  years ago  because the  laws were  arcane.   He related                                                               
that typically, a  person would sue a landlord, win  the case, an                                                               
appeal  would  be filed,  and  the  landlord would  intentionally                                                               
dissipate the  assets or  place the assets  in a  "bogus" account                                                               
and the  person could not  execute the  judgment.  He  stated its                                                               
purpose  was legitimate.   However,  in some  instances in  which                                                               
large judgments  are awarded,  the party  may not  be financially                                                               
able to post the appeal bond.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCHWARTZ offered  historical information  on several  cases,                                                               
including   one  in   which  the   Valdez  Fisheries   Department                                                               
Association  (VFDA),  a nonprofit  operated  a  fish hatchery  in                                                               
Valdez  and filed  for bankruptcy  when it  faced a  $2.1 million                                                               
judgment from a  failed real estate transaction.   The bankruptcy                                                               
court found  that the defendant  had pursued all options  in lieu                                                               
of  bankruptcy.   Although judges  can  exercise some  discretion                                                               
with appeal  bonds, the court  didn't in  that case.   He offered                                                               
his understanding that the appeal bond  in Alaska is equal to the                                                               
amount  of the  judgment.   He mentioned  another case,  in which                                                               
Nome Commercial  Company and two individuals  declared bankruptcy                                                               
after  two  judgments  were  filed  against  them  totaling  $1.5                                                               
million.      The  bankruptcy   court   noted   that  there   was                                                               
"uncontradicted evidence" that the  debtors lacked the ability to                                                               
post a  supersedeas bond, which  would have forced the  demise of                                                               
their business  while the  cases were  pending appeal  before the                                                               
Alaska  Supreme Court.   Finally,  Askinuk Corporation,  a Native                                                               
village  corporation,  whose  shareholders consisted  of  several                                                               
hundred  Native Alaskans  declared bankruptcy  when it  could not                                                               
obtain a bond on a judgment of $231,000.   Due to the size of the                                                               
judgment  and  the corporation's  lack  of  liquidity, the  court                                                               
wrote that  Askinuk was in  no position  to rely on  Rule 204(d),                                                               
which grants  courts the discretion  to reduce a  required appeal                                                               
bond, he stated.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Chair Ramras turned the gavel over to Vice Chair Dahlstrom.]                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCHWARTZ opined  that  some version  of  ALEC's appeal  bond                                                               
reform is  currently law in 37  states, although he noted  that 6                                                               
states do not  have an appeal bond requirement.   He related that                                                               
not many  states remain  that do  not put some  form of  limit on                                                               
appeal bonds.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHWARTZ  stated that  provisions in HB  103 would  allow the                                                               
judge discretion to  impose a cap of $5 million  or 10 percent of                                                               
all appellants' net  worth, whichever is lower, on  the amount of                                                               
a  supersedeas bond.   The  purpose  of supersedeas  bonds is  to                                                               
secure the prevailing  party's judgment in a lawsuit  as the case                                                               
goes up on  appeal.  He pointed out that  an exception was placed                                                               
in ALEC's  model legislation which  would allow the  defendant to                                                               
show  by a  preponderance of  evidence that  the assets  might be                                                               
dissipated to avoid paying the judgment.   He said that he is not                                                               
aware  of   any  situation   in  which   a  plaintiff   has  been                                                               
disappointed.  In  cases with high verdicts, the  defendant has a                                                               
right to appeal, whether the defendant is popular or not.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
[Vice Chair Dahlstrom returned the gavel to Chair Ramras.]                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHWARTZ  characterized HB 103  as "sound."  He  posited that                                                               
it has  worked well in  other states  and that other  states have                                                               
not repealed  any appeal bond  reform.  Thus, Alaska  can benefit                                                               
from  the 37  other  states that  have appeal  bond  reform.   He                                                               
characterized  the   legislation  as  "fair  legislation."     He                                                               
highlighted that  HB 103 does  not place  any caps on  damages or                                                               
limit  damages.   This bill  would help  to ensure  that economic                                                               
obstacles will not impede a person's right to appeal.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:57:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES referred to  a printout in members' packets                                                               
from the  American Tort Reform Association,  labeled "Appeal Bond                                                               
Reform" that which lists other  states' reforms.  She stated that                                                               
the  caps range  from $25-$100  million.   She  pointed out  that                                                               
seems to  create a  discrepancy and  it appears  to her  that the                                                               
language in the  bill would take the state from  being one of the                                                               
most lax to one of the most restrictive in terms of bond reform.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCHWARTZ  concurred  that  most of  other  bond  limits  are                                                               
higher.  A  lower bond limit gives more people  an opportunity to                                                               
appeal  such as  the instance  of the  $231,000 appeal  mentioned                                                               
earlier.  He stated that on the  one hand, this bill would set an                                                               
appeal  bond  limit  that  would   be  lower  than  most  states.                                                               
However, on the  other hand more people can benefit  with a lower                                                               
limit, he opined.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:00:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SAMUELS   recalled  past  legislation   in  which                                                               
government  was one  of the  parties in  an appeal.   He  further                                                               
recalled  that  the  tobacco companies  attempted  to  limit  the                                                               
appeal  bonds.   However,  the  legislature  did  not do  so,  he                                                               
stated.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCHWARTZ acknowledged  the cases.   He  stated that  appeals                                                               
bond  reform  is  currently  of   interest  to  small  and  large                                                               
businesses.  He  opined that government is excluded  from HB 103,                                                               
as  are  environmental  situations  and  circumstances  that  are                                                               
important  to the  state.   He  explained  that ALEC  establishes                                                               
model  legislation.    However,  it is  up  to  individual  state                                                               
legislatures to  decide the limits  that will work best  in their                                                               
state, he offered.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:02:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG inquired as  to whether Mr. Schwartz was                                                               
familiar with these types of cases  in question.  He offered that                                                               
plaintiffs  often have  fewer resources  available  to them  than                                                               
defendants.   He further  inquired as to  the rate  of bankruptcy                                                               
for plaintiffs in appeals cases.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHWARTZ  stated that  plaintiffs are  not subject  to appeal                                                               
bonds,   and    surmised   that   plaintiffs    might   encounter                                                               
circumstances in which problems arise.   Mr. Schwartz offered his                                                               
understanding, at least  in cases in which he  has been involved,                                                               
that when  cases have  some value and  the plaintiffs  lose, that                                                               
the  plaintiff discusses  this with  their attorney  who is  on a                                                               
contingency  fee.   He  related  that  in  his  own 14  years  of                                                               
plaintiff's  work,  that   if  he  felt  that   the  verdict  was                                                               
absolutely wrong,  he would  make his best  judgment if  the case                                                               
could result in recovery and if so, the case was then appealed.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG noted  that Alaska  has a  unique court                                                               
rule, Alaska Civil Rule 82,  which provides that the losing party                                                               
bears  a portion  of  the winner's  attorney fees.    Thus, if  a                                                               
plaintiff  loses, generally  the standard  is that  the plaintiff                                                               
must pay  30 percent of  the defendant's actual  attorney's fees,                                                               
which can  be substantial, plus all  of their costs.   He related                                                               
that a judgment is entered  against that plaintiff and unless the                                                               
plaintiff  acquires a  supersedeas bond,  pending the  appeal the                                                               
defendants  execute   on  the   plaintiff  and   regularly  cause                                                               
plaintiffs  in  Alaska to  go  into  bankruptcy or  forego  their                                                               
appeals.  He  inquired as to whether that  changes Mr. Schwartz's                                                               
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCHWARTZ  opined  that  with   problem  with  unfairness  to                                                               
plaintiffs, that the  state can decide those issues.   He offered                                                               
that knowledge of the court rule does not change his testimony.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:06:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHWARTZ,  in response to Representative  Gruenberg, surmised                                                               
that if  tort reform  is doing harm  or causing  serious problems                                                               
that the committee  could address those issues.   He offered that                                                               
his  testimony   is  based  on   HB  103  and  on   ALEC's  model                                                               
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:07:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG inquired  as to whether he  was aware of                                                               
a change  in insurance industry  practice such that  the industry                                                               
reviews cases in a macro basis rather  than an a micro basis.  He                                                               
surmised that  it is  a far  greater likelihood,  particularly in                                                               
the insurance industry that the  defendants prefer to litigate an                                                               
appeal to  draw the  cases out and  dissuade the  plaintiffs from                                                               
litigating, which would lead them to settle.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCHWARTZ opined  that  doesn't  occur in  the  areas of  the                                                               
country that  he is aware of  in Virginia and Maryland.   He said                                                               
that he does  not know whether that practice  occurs elsewhere in                                                               
the  country,  but  that  would   be  willing  to  research  that                                                               
information should the committee wish it.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  referred to the three  cases previously                                                               
mentioned.    He  related  his understanding  that  none  of  the                                                               
appellants  challenged the  court  rule and  indicated that  this                                                               
would  cause him  problems.   He further  stated that  the courts                                                               
ordered, but the  orders were not challenged.  He  stated that in                                                               
Alaska, one can  appeal the ruling on a bond  and that would take                                                               
place in the context of the  appeal such that he/she would appear                                                               
before the judge  and ask for a  bond.  If the bond  is denied, a                                                               
motion can be  taken to a single justice on  the court, which can                                                               
be appealed to the five members of the Alaska Supreme Court.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG inquired as  to whether Mr. Schwartz was                                                               
aware that in Alaska one can challenge the ruling on a bond.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCHWARTZ   inquired  as   to  whether   the  judge   has  to                                                               
automatically  stay  that,  because  in  other  states  in  which                                                               
problems  have  arisen,  one can  actually  appeal  an  excessive                                                               
appeal bond when  there is some room for that,  of the failure of                                                               
the judge to exercise discretion.   He stated that there isn't an                                                               
automatic  stay; one  can appeal,  but the  bond must  be posted,                                                               
pending the appeal.  He surmised  that the person is still in the                                                               
same situation.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:11:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  surmised, then,  that there  would need                                                               
to be a motion  for a stay of that until the  bond issue could be                                                               
appealed.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHWARTZ noted his agreement.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG further  surmised that  the courts  may                                                               
treat people differently than in other states.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:13:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL offered  his  understanding  that in  the                                                               
cases in  which appeals  could be considered,  that the  cost was                                                               
likely to  be so high  that the challenge  of a court  rule would                                                               
even  "ratchet it  up"  further.   He said  that  he thought  the                                                               
reason for a court rule change is evident in that discussion.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   HOLMES  inquired   as   to   the  mechanics   of                                                               
determining an appellant's "net worth" under HB 103.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHWARTZ answered  that materials are presented  to the court                                                               
to show  assets and liabilities.   He  opined that the  court can                                                               
require financial  statements and  then determines  the company's                                                               
"net  worth" and  offered  that is  how it  has  worked in  other                                                               
states.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   COGHILL   referred    to   the   definition   of                                                               
"policyholder  surplus" in  AS 21.90.900(34)(C), and  opined that                                                               
that definition might be helpful to the committee.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES  inquired as to whether  the opposing party                                                               
has an opportunity to question the net worth.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCHWARTZ answered  that  it is  his  understanding that  the                                                               
opposing party  has an  opportunity in  other states  to question                                                               
the net worth.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HOLMES  posed  a   scenario  in  which  insurance                                                               
policies  are involved.   She  inquired as  to whether  the limit                                                               
should be set, at the very  least, to the limits in the insurance                                                               
policy.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHWARTZ  answered that it depends  on the local rules  as to                                                               
whether the insurance limit information is available.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:15:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG   advised  that  under  the   rules  of                                                               
discovery  in   Alaska,  that  information   would  need   to  be                                                               
disclosed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HOLMES related  her understanding  that at  least                                                               
one of  the other  states requires the  parties against  whom the                                                               
judgment has  been entered  to prove  hardship.   She highlighted                                                               
that some judgments  are huge and would bankrupt a  company.  She                                                               
posed a  scenario in which  a person might  have a good  job, but                                                               
that  the person  might  also have  a huge  debt  load such  that                                                               
his/her actual net  worth is very low.  She  stated that under HB
103, that person would not be required to post a bond.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHWARTZ  offered that in  such situations of that  type, the                                                               
greatest concern is that the  person won't have assets to satisfy                                                               
the  judgment or  the person  may  take actions,  which the  bill                                                               
protects against.   He  related his  understanding that  in other                                                               
states since when  the appeal bond statutes "kick in"  it is with                                                               
companies such  as dry cleaners,  hair salons, or  big businesses                                                               
such as pharmaceutical companies.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES  inquired as  to whether that  amount would                                                               
be set at zero.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHWARTZ concurred that in instances  in which a person had a                                                               
zero net worth that the bond would be set at zero.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES  argued that the  person could have  a good                                                               
income stream  and the ability to  pay.  However, the  bill bases                                                               
the calculation on the net worth of the person.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:21:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  recalled a California case,  in which a                                                               
fleet  of  yellow  cabs had  incorporated  each  one  separately.                                                               
Thus, in  the event of an  accident in which the  cab company was                                                               
sued, the party could only receive the  value of the one cab.  He                                                               
inquired as to whether that would  be the case under HB 103, that                                                               
the plaintiff could only receive the value of one cab.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCHWARTZ offered  to research  that issue,  if that  type of                                                               
practice were used.  He said that  the goal is to ensure that the                                                               
net  worth of  the company  as  a whole  would be  what would  be                                                               
considered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:22:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HOLMES  inquired  as  to whether  the  term  "net                                                               
worth" is defined.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG noted that AS 21.90.900(34)(C) reads:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          (C) for an insurer other than a stock or mutual                                                                       
     insurer, the  net worth of  the insurer,  calculated as                                                                    
     its   recorded   assets   less  its   liabilities,   as                                                                    
     determined by  the accounting criteria set  out in this                                                                    
     title;                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  related  his understanding  that  "net                                                               
worth" is the concept of assets less any liabilities.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:27:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL WILSON,  Coastal Helicopters, the National  Federation of                                                               
Independent Business  (NFIB), stated that his  company is Coastal                                                               
Helicopters and that  he also represents the NFIB.   He explained                                                               
if he were to attempt to get a  bond for what he considered to be                                                               
a wrongful  judgment that it could  put him out of  business.  He                                                               
offered that his company employs  20 to 25 employees and seasonal                                                               
employees.  He further stated  that people that people often view                                                               
the  aviation companies  as "deep  pockets."   He opined  that to                                                               
obtain a large bond to appeal  a judgment would be detrimental to                                                               
his company.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILSON, in  response to Chair Ramras,  offered a hypothetical                                                               
example  in which  something were  to cause  damage to  someone's                                                               
property.    He noted  that  besides  the property  damages,  the                                                               
person could seek huge civil  damages, and that would require him                                                               
to layoff employees  and liquidate assets in order  to defend the                                                               
appeal for  damages.   He stated that  he could  realistically be                                                               
placed into bankruptcy.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:31:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WILSON, in  response to  Representative Gruenberg,  answered                                                               
that he does have insurance and  that he would be defended by the                                                               
insurance company  in the event  of property damage.   In further                                                               
response to Representative Gruenberg,  Mr. Wilson stated he would                                                               
not object to providing his "net worth."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG pointed out  that HB 103 stipulates that                                                               
the  amount  of the  bond  is  the lesser  of  $5  million or  10                                                               
percent.   He stated that in  the event of an  appeal, his assets                                                               
and liabilities would  be filed and made public.   He stated that                                                               
currently the bond is based on  the amount of the judgment and is                                                               
posted by the insurance company.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILSON  responded that he  did not  think that it  would make                                                               
any difference.   His  competitors would  have an  idea regarding                                                               
his assets and  he did not think that his  competitors would gain                                                               
an advantage by knowing his net worth.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  referred to  page  2,  lines 2-3,  and                                                               
inquired  as to  whether Mr.  Wilson would  want the  information                                                               
disclosed as a condition of appeal.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:34:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCHWARTZ answered  that in  some states  the information  is                                                               
provided  to  the  courts  under  seal  in  the  same  manner  as                                                               
information on trade secrets would be given to the court.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  argued  that  is not  a  provision  in                                                               
HB 103.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:35:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WAYNE  STEVENS,  President,  Alaska  State  Chamber  of  Commerce                                                               
(ASCC), referred to a letter of  support for HB 103 from the ASCC                                                               
that is in  committee members' packets.  He stated  that the ASCC                                                               
supports HB  103, which limits the  size of appeal bonds  as both                                                               
sides  work through  the  court  process.   He  stated that  tort                                                               
reform has  long been  a priority  of the ASCC.   He  offered his                                                               
belief  that HB  103 is  the "right  step" in  creating a  better                                                               
appeal process  for keeping businesses whole  while ensuring that                                                               
plaintiffs  who obtain  judgments  will  have solvent  defendants                                                               
from whom they can collect damages.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  noted  that   Version  E  contains  an                                                               
additional  provision that  was not  in  the original  bill.   He                                                               
referred to  page 2, lines  11-12, which would exempt  actions or                                                               
proceedings in which the state  or another governmental entity is                                                               
a party.  He surmised that  is to provide protection to the state                                                               
and  other governmental  agencies when  they prevail.   Thus,  it                                                               
would enable  "the state's sword  to pierce through"  this rather                                                               
than to  use a shield.   He inquired  as to whether  other people                                                               
should be given the same status as the state.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:38:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANNE  JOHNSON,  Assistant Attorney  General,  Oil,  Gas &  Mining                                                               
Section,  Civil  Division  (Juneau),  Department  of  Law  (DOL),                                                               
concurred that the state would be exempt.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  noted  that   if  the  state  were  to                                                               
prevail, as an  appellant, that it could require  the normal bond                                                               
to be posted.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. JOHNSON  answered that the  state favors the  language listed                                                               
on  page 2,  lines 11-12  of the  bill.   In further  response to                                                               
Representative Gruenberg,  Ms. Johnson acknowledged that  she has                                                               
been a party  to some limited discussions  regarding the language                                                               
and that she supports it.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:39:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HOLMES  inquired as  to  whether  "net worth"  is                                                               
defined.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  JOHNSON answered  that "net  worth" is  not defined  in this                                                               
statute.  She offered to  research whether "net worth" is defined                                                               
in other statutes.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES said that she  did not know how "net worth"                                                               
would be calculated.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:40:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL said that  assets and liabilities are part                                                               
of the formula for defining "net  worth."  He maintained his view                                                               
that arriving at net worth is attainable.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. JOHNSON  pointed out that "net  worth" is not defined  in the                                                               
statutes.   However, common  ways to  determine net  worth exist,                                                               
she opined.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HOLMES stressed  that that  the committee  is not                                                               
aware of how "net worth" is defined at this point.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  objected to the concept  that "net worth"                                                               
could not be  defined and related to his  personal experiences in                                                               
business that routinely require "net worth" determinations.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES  maintained her  concern that  for purposes                                                               
of  HB 103,  she would  like  to know  [how "net  worth" will  be                                                               
determined].  She  stated that the court rules  are being revised                                                               
in  several places  in the  bill.   She  noted that  the bond  is                                                               
posted  in the  amount  of  the judgment  plus  appeals cost  and                                                               
interest,  which  she opined  is  limited  to  $5 million  or  10                                                               
percent of  the net  worth with  exceptions such  as in  cases of                                                               
dissipating assets.   She  referred to page  2, lines  7-8, which                                                               
requires the  appellant to  post a  bond in an  amount up  to the                                                               
full amount  of the judgment.   However, this does not  allow the                                                               
appeals cost and  interest to be added back in,  she stated.  She                                                               
noted  the language  is also  found on  page 4,  line 10,  in the                                                               
proposed changes to Rule 205.   Thus, if the goal is to reinstate                                                               
the full bond in instances  in which the appellant is dissipating                                                               
assets, this bill does not really institute the full bond.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. JOHNSON answered that it is not intended to do so.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:43:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  surmised  that   if  the  question  is                                                               
whether  $5 million  is more  or  less than  the appellant's  net                                                               
worth, that  would involve a  trial within  a trial to  make that                                                               
determination.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. JOHNSON said it would depend on how "net worth" is defined.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG questioned  whether  even  if the  term                                                               
were defined, that would involve considerable proof.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. JOHNSON  acknowledged that  it could,  and it  possibly could                                                               
lead to a dispute of which amount is greater.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG related  that the  court would  have to                                                               
make a fairly  complicated factual finding as  to the appellant's                                                               
net worth.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. JOHNSON acknowledged that point.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HOLMES  inquired as  to  how  the appellee  would                                                               
prove that  the appellant was  dissipating assets.   She inquired                                                               
as to whether  rights of subpoena would be allowed  to obtain the                                                               
required evidence.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. JOHNSON  said that  she did  not yet know  since that  is not                                                               
part  of current  law.   She  surmised, however,  that a  hearing                                                               
would be conducted  that would probably include  discovery of the                                                               
income statements  and balance sheets.   However, she  stated she                                                               
could not speak from experience.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES  referred to page  2, line 5, and  asked if                                                               
the  language "proves  by  a preponderance  of  the evidence"  in                                                               
HB 103 is  sufficient or  if the  evidence should  be stipulated,                                                               
since currently that language doesn't provide much guidance.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  JOHNSON offered  that [the  proof  of dissipating  evidence]                                                               
could possibly be  made clearer by adoption of  regulations.  She                                                               
stated  that the  court rule  change does  provide the  burden of                                                               
proof, but it doesn't discuss what  type of forum the issue would                                                               
be  held in,  such as  if  the evidence  will be  submitted at  a                                                               
hearing before the same judge.   Thus, she agreed there is a lack                                                               
of clarity in this matter.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:48:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL stated  that  the  court rule  stipulates                                                               
that on  appeal the court  will consider the  petitioner's views.                                                               
Thus, the court  already has this matter  under consideration, he                                                               
argued.   He opined that  the [net worth]  would be decided  at a                                                               
further hearing or a separate hearing based on the appeal.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. JOHNSON  noted her agreement  that it would be  determined at                                                               
"some type of" hearing.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  stated that it did  not seem unreasonable                                                               
to  him that  the  court  would assign  another  hearing for  the                                                               
discovery.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. JOHNSON  answered that it  is quite possible the  court would                                                               
do so.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HOLMES referred  to  page 4,  lines 23-24,  asked                                                               
which  cases this  would apply  to  and whether  bonds that  have                                                               
already been posted could be reduced.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  JOHNSON  offered  her understanding  that  the  language  is                                                               
straightforward, that HB  103 would apply to cases  pending on or                                                               
filed on or  after the date it  becomes law.  Thus,  if an action                                                               
is pending  in the court system,  the provisions in HB  103 would                                                               
apply to it.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES  asked whether  something in the  middle of                                                               
an  appeal would  result in  the  recalculation of  bonds and  if                                                               
persons could ask to have the bonds raised.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. JOHNSON answered, "Possibly."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:51:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG offered a  hypothetical example in which                                                               
three parties  in different  courts filed  on basically  the same                                                               
subject.   The language  of HB  103 says the  amount of  the bond                                                               
collectively of  all appellants may  not exceed the lesser  of $5                                                               
million or 10  percent of all appellants.  He  inquired as to how                                                               
the court would sort through the three separate cases.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  JOHNSON explained  that  when the  matter  is appealed,  the                                                               
issue of whether  to combine the cases would need  to be decided.                                                               
She  surmised  that  in Representative  Gruenberg's  hypothetical                                                               
example,  the  three  separate   cases  would  probably  be  kept                                                               
separate.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  pointed out  that  if  the cases  were                                                               
consolidated, it could  be characterized as a tangled  web due to                                                               
the multiple parties.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. JOHNSON noted her agreement.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[HB 103, Version E, was held over.]                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                

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